Ugly Sweater Run results, prizes and more…

Ugly Sweater Run results, prizes and more…

Congrats runners! Thank you for joining us at the 2nd Annual Ugly Sweater Run presented by Hunter Subaru at the Riveter. What an incredible weather day and so much festive fun was had by all! Ya’ll out did yourselves with all the creative ugly sweaters this year. It was awesome to see all your smiling faces and everyone having so much fun together.  We are so grateful for each and every one of you and your participation. Congrats to all of your accomplishments, personal records and for showing up and toeing the start line and getting to the finish! 

Save the date for Saturday, December 3, 2022 for the 3rd Annual Ugly Sweater Run! Follow the Ugly Sweater Run Facebook page for all the updates!


Click on the Race Results button below for all Results and Top Finisher information. Congrats to you all! 

Question about results? Email support@idaph.net. 

Ugly Sweater Run Mug


Congrats to the overall winners who received an Ugly Sweater mug and a gift certificate to Fleet Feet Asheville!


OVERALL MALE: James Mauney - 42:44

OVERALL FEMALE: Valerie Gortmaker - 46:27


OVERALL MALE: Arthur Drexler - 20:15

OVERALL FEMALE: Madeline Ustanik - 22:02

Age Group Award winners are listed under the RACE RESULTS TAB. 

Didn’t pick up your award at the race? Go pick up your award at Fleet Feet Asheville. Or, not local - you can have your mug shipped HERE.


  • Top 3 overall finishers (male/female) will receive a prize + a Fleet Feet gift certificate!
  • First place masters finishers (male/female) will receive a prize + a Fleet Feet gift certificate!
  • Top 3 in the following Age Group categories:
    • 12 and under
    • 13-19
    • 20 - 29
    • 30 -39
    • 40 - 49
    • 50 - 59
    • 60 - 69
    • 70 + up

“Ugly Sweater Costume Contest Winners”

  • Chris Larsen
  • Susan Rickert
  • Nate Gearles
  • Amy Chandler
  • Jennifer Petosa
  • Kasey Gruen
  • Leanne Bledsoe
  • Callie Carnahan
  • Anna Heard

Send us a message - support@idaph.net if you are a costume winner and didn’t pick up your prize. 


The first batch of race photos are HERE! We will continue to add photos throughout the week. 


It’s time for holiday gifts. Get yourself, your runner friend or family member a gift from our shop. If you missed picking up a race shirt, order one here. We have a few sizes available.

Get yours click here! 


Free to Run Shirt


Be SOCIAL with us! 

Follow our Instagram page and share your race day photos and videos with us for a re-share! Tag @idaphevents and #uglysweaterrun on your posts ans stories.

Thank you to all our incredible race partners!

Ugly Sweater Run Sponsors

Love Holiday Events? So do we! More opportunities to be festive, have fun and do something good for you!

New Year’s Resolution Run 5k and 10k in Downtown Asheville, NC 

New Year’s Day at 10am! Start your year off on the right foot. Celebrate 2022 with us on January 1st. New this year, ceramic campfire mugs for all finishers and a HOT CHOCOLATE BAR! More info HERE. 

All finishers get an awesome, ceramic, campfire mug when you cross the finish line! 

Grab your calendar & sign up for these upcoming events!

Grab your calendar & sign up for these upcoming events!


Light Up the Night 5k
Friday, August 6, 2021

The 3rd Annual Light up the Night takes place at Carrier Park in Asheville, NC on Friday, August 6th. This is your time to shine! A flat and fast run in Asheville’s Carrier Park on Friday evening. First 200 to register get a glow-n-the-dark finisher medal!  All the proceeds from this event will directly benefit Western Carolina Rescue Ministries and the continuous work of recovery, rescue, and restoration to individuals throughout WNC.


Jump Off Rock Hill Climb

presented by Hunter Subaru 

Laurel Park, Hendersonville, North Carolina
Sunday, August 8


Cyclists and Triathletes get ready for the return of the Jump off Rock Hill Climb presented by Hunter Subaru on Sunday, August 8th at 3 pm. The hill climb, time trial, cycling race made its debut in 2017 and returns this summer with much anticipation to Laurel Park located in Hendersonville, North Carolina. 

The cycling race is for all abilities! Test your fitness and challenge yourself to ride up this five-mile climb as fast as you can. This is an individual, time-trial-style event designed to challenge any type and ability of cyclists. You will be racing against the clock and will leave in one-minute increments. It is a race against yourself. This is not a mass start event. 

The one-way, time trial race starts at the Town of Laurel Park offices and goes up, up, up Laurel Park Scenic Highway to the top of Jump off Rock where panoramic views await you at the finish line. This event will be professionally produced and timed. 

Let’s face it, sometimes we all need a little help getting up these giant WNC hills. We’re allowing e-bikes at this event and they will be scored in their own category, so all riders are welcome!

Not only will this ride challenge you, but there are also prizes and awards for the King and Queen of the Mountain and random giveaways to finishers. You don’t have to be the fastest to win in our giveaways!


Pop Up 5K Summer Series 
Wednesdays (2nd and 4th of the month) August 11 & August 25

Join us at Bill Moore Community Park (formerly Fletcher Park) for our Pop-up 5k in the Park Summer Series.  Every 2nd and 4th Wednesday until August 25th, we’ll be setting up a rolling start line with a chip-timed and fully marked 5k course for runners and walkers.  This in-person running event is a great way to test your fitness and work towards improving your 5k time. It is family-friendly and dog-friendly! New this year we have themes for each night! There will be prizes along the way, awesome Run Local swag available, and flexible options for all types of runners. 

Follow the new Pop-up 5k Facebook page for all the details! Click HERE


Apple Festival Races 
presented by Hunter Subaru
Saturday, September 4, 2021

Join us for the Individual 8k run, a Team Challenge 5k (groups of 4 - combining times), and the Chick-fil-A Mini Moo One Mile fun run. Come out for this classic, family-friendly Hendersonville event!

All participants in the 8k and Team 5k will receive a free black, Brooks tech running event shirt with their registration, but you must register before August 1st at midnight to guarantee your preferred size! All Mini Moo participants will receive a different shirt for free with their registrations.



Tour d’Apple
Mon, September 6, 2021

Tour d’Apple cycling event provides four exciting, challenging routes through Western North Carolina’s apple orchards, waterfalls, and mountains to benefit the charitable projects of the Hendersonville Four Seasons Rotary Club. FREE Tour d’Apple t-shirt if registered prior to August 15th at midnight. Spend Labor Day riding your bike around the most beautiful scenery in WNC!


Asheville Off-Road Series

presented by Hunter Subaru

Ride Kanuga, Hendersonville, NC
September 19, 2021


The 9th Annual Asheville Off Road Series is back for 2021!

This year, the Asheville Off Road Series presented by Hunter Subaru is held at the awesome venue - Ride Kanuga located near Asheville in Hendersonville, North Carolina. Join us for an amazing day of cycling, running, or both on Sunday, September 19, 2021!

The AORS (Asheville Off Road Series) consists of three main events: Asheville Duathlon, Trail Run, and Gravel Grinder Bike events. Each of these events gives a wide variety of outdoor enthusiasts the ability to explore either by foot or by two wheels the Western North Carolina trails, gravel roads and scenic country paved roads.

This is a hugely popular event each year, so we suggest you register as soon as you can! Because of limited parking availability, this event is limited to 300 participants.



Pop Up 5K Fall Series 5K

2nd & 4th Wednesday of the month
September 8th — October 27th, 2021
This is the same event as the Summer Series except with different times, prizes, and swag! The Pop-up 5k in the Park Fall Series and Virtual Challenge is every 2nd and 4th Wednesday starting September 8th and running until October 27th. Due to the time change, runners can start at the rolling start line anytime from 5-6:30 pm. 

Black Bear Half Marathon
presented by Hunter Subaru 



Hendersonville, North Carolina

October 9, 2021

 Don’t miss these races on peak leaf weekend in WNC!

The Black Bear Half Marathon presented by Hunter Subaru is back and it returns with a brand new shorter distance event, an 8k! These races in Hendersonville, NC both offer scenic, mostly flat courses along the Oklawaha Greenway.  The brand new Morris powered by Optimum 8k course is all about SPEED and will offer cash prizes for the fastest overall winners!

Both races include scenic views of fall foliage and a flat,  fast greenway course. 


Trick or Trail 5k

presented by Hunter Subaru 

Dupont State Forest, North Carolina

Saturday, October 23rd, 2021 at 7:15pm

Registration opens Tuesday, August 10th at 3pm

You don’t want to miss this super fun, and family-friendly, Halloween-themed 5K run/walk. This annual running event is a local’s favorite and offers fun for the entire family.  We have finalized our permit with Dupont and registration will be opening soon! Keep up-to-date by following our Trick or Trail Facebook Page HERE. Event limited to 150 participants. 

South Asheville Turkey Trot 5K

presented by Hunter Subaru 

Biltmore Park, Asheville, North Carolina

Thursday, November 25, 2021

Registration opens Thursday, August 5th at 3pm!

The 4th Annual South Asheville Turkey Trot presented by Hunter Subaru returns on Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, November 25th to Biltmore Park in South Asheville, NC. Come join us for this fun and festive 5K on one of the biggest running holidays of the year. Thanksgiving is the largest running holiday with families all over the country! Turkey Trots are a great way to start the day. You’ll share miles and smiles with your family and friends as part of this fun, annual tradition. 

Ugly Sweater Run

presented by Hunter Subaru

The Riveter, Mills River, North Carolina
Saturday, December 4, 2021
Join us for this holly, jolly 5K, 10K and Challenge at the Riveter! 

Registration opens Thursday, August 26th at 3pm!

Don’t miss this new annual holiday tradition! The 2nd Annual Ugly Sweater Run 5K and 10K at the Riveter in Mills River! Join iDaph Events for a festive (and socially distanced) 5K and 10K hosted by the Riveter, the nation’s premier indoor climbing gym, bike park, and wellness arena. The courses start at the Riveter and run along scenic rural paved and farm roads, and return to the Riveter for even more merriment.


New Year’s Resolution Run

Downtown Asheville, North Carolina
January 1, 2022

Registration opens Thursday, September 9th at NOON

The Annual New Year’s Resolution Run in downtown Asheville will be January 1, 2022. Plan to kick off 2022 on the right foot and celebrate with what we love to do most: RUN! This event starts at a reasonable 10:00 am and offers a 5K and 10K distance. We welcome families and participants of all ages to come run or crawl their way to completing their first resolution! Bring warm layers of clothes, tie up your running shoes, and get ready to ‘run into’ 2022! More information coming soon. 


iDaph Partner Events


Light Up the Night 5K, Asheville, NC — Friday, August 6, 2021
Apple Festival Races, Hendersonville, NC — Saturday, September 4
Tour d’Apple, Brevard, NC — Monday, September 6, 2021
Rock the Quarry 5k & Fun Run — Saturday, September 11, 2021
IC Imagine - FIne Arts 5k  —
 Saturday, September 18, 2021
Ramble Run 5k + 10k - Sunday, October 3, 2021
Fonta Flora BarnBurner 50k Mountain Bike Race – Saturday, Oct 16
Vampire 5K, Brevard, NC — Saturday, October 30, 2021
Jingle Jog, Hendersonville, NC — Saturday, December 11, 2021


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New Years Resolution Run

New Years Resolution Run

The 7th Annual Resolution Run 5K and 10K races through the streets of Downtown Asheville, NC on New Year’s Day, at a reasonable 10:00 am. Leave 2020 behind (like for REALZ) and let’s start 2021 off with a nice refreshing “leave it all behind” experience through downtown Asheville. This race welcomes families and participants of all ages to come run or crawl their way to completing their FIRST New Year’s Resolution! Bring warm layers of clothes, tie up your running shoes, and get ready to ‘run into’ 2021!

2021 Resolution Shirt
resolution run medal

Race Details:
Start Times: 10 am-10:30 AM with 10-minute wave intervals of 50 participants max
Start Times: 10:30-11 AM - 10 MINUTE waves
Start Times: 10am-10:19 AM. Run both courses for a 15K. Special prizes for overall winners!

Each event is capped at 150 participants. 

Course Type: Paved Road & Sidewalk
Stroller friendly? Yes
Dogs allowed? Yes

Course time limit is 12 pm (noon).

What is included with your race entry:

• A first-class running experience in downtown Asheville!
• An in-person, socially-distanced race with rolling, wave starts.
• Chip-timing for accurate results.
• A totally set up and well-marked course.
• Spectator friendly course.
• One-of-a-kind Prizes, Race Swag and Commemorative Finisher Medal.
• A free custom t-shirt to commemorate your first fitness goal of the year!

Free T-shirt deadline:
Participants who sign up before December 13th at midnight receive a free custom New Year’s Resolution t-shirt! Switch it out for a long-sleeve for an additional $10.

2021 New Year’s Resolution Run Pre-Event Guide

2021 New Year’s Resolution Run Pre-Event Guide

Family at South Asheville Turkey Trot

We can’t wait to welcome 2021 with you!


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New Year’s Resolution Run Podcast

Listen to the New Year’s Resolution Run Podcast for everything you need to know for New Year’s Day and packet pick-up. You can download this podcast on iTunes, Spotify, or anywhere you listen to your podcasts. 


Here’s what you need to know for Packet Pick-up and Race Day.

Thank you for signing up for the New Year’s Resolution Run in downtown Asheville! May we all get off on the RIGHT FOOT together with this annual run on the first day of the year. Let’s all bring positivity, fun and enthusiasm to this special day that will mark a new beginning for each and everyone one of us.

Please take a moment to read through our pre-event guide blog. It has important information regarding the event. You can also download and listen to the iDaph Events Podcast for information about the Resolution Run, or check out the recorded podcast on YouTube.

Looking for other activities around the area for New Year’s? Visit here to find out about more local happenings to ring in the New Year. 

VERY IMPORTANT: All participants must read and sign the COVID Certification and Release prior to participating in the race on Friday. THIS HAS been emailed to all participants to view and sign. 


Rolling Wave Starts

The race starts and finishes in Pack Square Park in downtown Asheville, NC. The address is 80 Court Plaza, Asheville, NC 28801.

In order to safely socially-distance runners throughout the race, we have implemented rolling wave starts for this event. There is no mass start. When you registered online you selected a wave start time. You can show up and begin your race at any point during that 10 minute time window. 10k runners will start first according to the wave start time that you selected when you registered online.

  • 10:00 AM - 10:09 AM
  • 10:10 AM - 10:19 AM
  • 10:20 AM - 10:29 AM

5k runners wave starts are the following times:

  • 10:30 AM - 10:39 AM
  • 10:40 AM - 10:49 AM
  • 10:50 AM - 10:59 AM1

As soon as you get to the start line you will start your race. No hanging out. No waiting around…. so don’t come to the start line until you are READY TO GO! This rolling start style of race is more laid back and doesn’t have that same amount of pressure that a mass start race does. The start and finish line are both in Pack Square, in two separate locations.

Challenge Participants:

The brand new Challenge, which is both the 5K and 10K, runners must start the 10k first and you would have signed up online for a 10k wave start time.  If you are participating in the Challenge, we suggest that you start your race close to 10am, no later than 10:19 am. You will finish the 10k race at the finish chute, then go to the start line again and do the 5k course.

Participants in the Challenge will be competing in the 5k and the 10k races and listed in each of those results. We will not have a ‘cummulative’ time or awards category for the Challenge (15k) participants. All Challenge participants will get their own special swag for participating in the Challenge and will qualify for awards in the 5k and the 10k races. Please only take one finisher medal. They are the same for both races. THANK YOU!!

10k Participants:

–  If you are participating in the 10k race, you will split from the 5k course at the 1.7 mile mark and continue onto Kimberly Ave at the intersection of Evelyn Pl, Kimberly Ave, and Edwin Pl.

5k Participants: 

- You will do one lap of the course. It is a 5k! Start at the start line, finish at the finish line at the Pack Square… easy peasy!

COVID-19 Guidelines

We are taking this virus very seriously, and we have made substantial changes to ensure we are adhering to the NC guidelines concerning COVID-19. Participants must wear masks before and after the race. All volunteers and staff members are also required to wear masks at all times.

Please visit our Blog Post for a list of COVID-19 guidelines.

Packet Pick-up is on Race Day 

Packet Pick-up will take place on the day of the event at Pack Square Park in downtown Asheville (you will see signs when you arrive). Please plan to arrive approximately 30 minutes before your assigned wave start time to check-in and pick up your swag and race bib. 

VERY IMPORTANT: Have your race number pinned on the FRONT of your shirt/outer layer! We must be able to see your race number at all times. If your race number is underneath a jacket, your time may not register on our timing system. 

If you have any questions please email support@idaph.net.


There is plenty of available parking at nearby parking garages. You can also find metered street parking and parking at several nearby Parking Decks.


In order to keep spectators and gathering at a minimum in the park, and for your friends and family to have the best experience watching you race, we highly encourage that they find some places downtown on the course to spread out and cheer you on. Specatators are required to wear face coverings. 


Race Route & Course Info

It is up to you to know the course and follow the course markings and signs along the route. We will have pink route arrows on the sidewalks and roads and pink spray paint. We will also have tall directional signs and yard signs with arrows. Please stay on the sidewalks when they are available to you. If there is not a sidewalk please run facing traffic on the left side of the road. Do not run in the middle of the road. FOLLOW THE ROUTE ARROW STICKERS ON THE GROUND! At the course split the YELLOW arrow on the ground will lead 10k runners straight up Kimberly Avenue. The Pink arrows on the ground will lead the 5k runners to the left on Evelyn. 


The 10k and 5k courses will split on Edwin, Evelyn and Kimberly Ave intersection, a little over 1 ½ miles in… the 5k runners will take a LEFT and go on EVELYN… they will not go up Kimberly Avenue. If you do, well. You will be running 2x the distance you signed up for! The 10k will come back to this intersection at a little over 4 ½ miles and so you will see it again when you join back in on the rest of the 5k course for the last mile and a half of the run. 

 5k Route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31272879

10k Route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/34484102

The Course time limit is NOON (for both races & Challengers). 

Water Stations

We encourage you to bring your own fuel, nutrition, and refreshments for the run so that you can stay socially-distanced throughout the entire event. There will not be any water stations along the course.  Water and CLIF Bars will be provided at the finish.


Your finisher medal is waiting for you at the finish! Please grab yours at our contactless Finisher Medal Station. (CHALLENGE PARTIICPANTS ONLY GET ONE MEDAL PLEASE!!)

Grab a delicious lunch from Baires Food Truck will have breakfast empanada, special New Year’s empanadas, and they’ll be serving up hot drinks such as hot chocolate and coffee. Please bring cash or card and hope support this awesome local business! 

Virtual Awards Ceremony

Due to COVID-19, we are not having an awards ceremony. We will do a Virtual Awards Ceremony via Zoom, and that link will be emailed to our participants after the event.

We hope everyone has a fun and festive run!


We are so excited to partner once again with Western Carolina Rescue Ministries! We are accepting monetary donations online and we will have a Shoe Drive at the event and at Fleet Feet Asheville.


Run Local Accessories

Our Run Local accessories are a great way to celebrate all things running and support small business. These are available for purchase when you register through Race Roster and you can also purchase them in person at the race. We appreciate your support! 

Run Local Beanie

Show off your love for running and help support local business when you purchase a Run Local beanie! Available when you register. Make great holiday gifts! 

iDaph Events Run Local Hoodie

Run Local Hoodie

Snuggle up in one of these awesome Run Local hoodies! Available for purchase when you register. Make great gifts for the runner in your life! 

Run Local shirt

Run Local Run Free t-shirt

What a gift to run through the beauty of our North Carolina mountains and forests. With running, we express who we are, our freedom, our love for the outdoors. Run wild and run free. Run local together in 2021. Available for purchase when you log into your Race Roster account.

2021 Resolution Run Sponsors

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New Years Resolution Run

Registration is now open for the New Year’s Resolution Run in downtown Asheville

Kiss 2020 goodbye!

Join iDaph Event’s 2021 New Year’s Resolution Run in downtown Asheville

Celebrate the love of running, fitness, and the new year with iDaph Events 7th Annual Resolution Run, set for New Year’s Day on Friday, January 1st, 2021 in downtown Asheville, NC.

This annual in-person running event has assigned wave start times beginning at 10 am, so you can watch the ball drop on New Year’s Eve and still get up in time to kick off the first day of the year on the right foot.

The race starts and ends in Pack Square, Asheville’s historic public square and the heart of Asheville. The New Year’s Resolution Run is a great way to stick to your fitness goals and stay active throughout the winter months while exploring the streets of downtown Asheville and its surrounding neighborhoods. The 10 Mile distance will not take place this year; instead, a 10K has been put in its place, along with the traditional 5K route. There is also a challenge option for endurance runners, which allows runners to run both the 5k and 10k distances for a total of 9.3 miles.

“After what we have been through as a community over the past year, I cannot imagine a better way to start off the new 2021 year,” says Race Director Daphne Kirkwood. “The New Year’s Resolution Run is an opportunity to let go of the last year together, safely and in-person.”

Changes due to COVID-19

As all of iDaph Events running events since the pandemic, this event will have major changes implemented to allow for a safe and socially distanced event. When runners register they must choose a wave start time and stick to that time when they start the race. The assigned wave start times are to ensure that runners stay socially distanced throughout the race from start to finish, and it eliminates a mass start. Each event has been capped at 150 participants.

A conditional permit has been approved by the City of Asheville on November 9, 2020 for this annual event to take place in downtown Asheville.

Runners are encouraged to bring their own water and nutrition for this event. In order to provide a safe experience for all runners, there will be no water stations or fuel stations on the race course.

For more changes due to COVID-19, please visit the Resolution Run website.

New for 2021! Virtual Option

Runners not ready to attend an in-person event or if from out of town are still able to be part of this annual Resolution Run. A virtual option for this event is also available, and runners can run the same course or a course anywhere to commemorate the start of a brand new year. Virtual participants will have access to the course information and receive all the cool swag mailed directly to their home. Top finishers are also eligible for prizes.

In-person event

5K and 10k runners participating in the in-person event will receive a race t-shirt, a commemorative finisher medal, a chip-timed race, a fully-marked course and a goody bag with their registration fee. Challenge runners will also receive an additional swag item. These swag items are a fun way to commemorate the first run of the year, and a reminder to runners that they have stuck to their fitness goals.

“For many, the t-shirt and commemorative medal will be a reminder to leave 2020 behind and provide a token of hope as together we look forward to a more healthy future in 2021,” says Kirkwood.

No after-party: But we can still have fun!

To commemorate the new year, a fresh start and the Resolution Run accomplishment, all finishers will receive a custom-designed finisher medal after they cross the finish line.

To discourage the gathering of crowds, there will not be any post-event celebrations for the in-person New Year’s Resolution Run. However, runners and spectators can check out Baires Food Truck, which will be on-site at the event serving up their delicious breakfast empanadas and special New Year’s empanadas, along with hot drinks such as hot chocolate and coffee.

There is plenty of space at Pack Square for spectators to come and cheer on their favorite runner during this event. We do ask that spectators wear masks and stay socially distanced from others while attending.

The awards ceremony will be held via Zoom the week following the event to announce overall finishers.

Sign up: Spots are limited!

It is time to say goodbye and good riddance to 2020 and HELLO 2021! For more details about this event, click the button below. 

Please note: If the permit conditions change due to COVID-19 event gathering restrictions, this event will be moved to a different location. There are no deferrals or refunds for this event.

New Year's Resolution Runners in downtown Asheville

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